tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post6900098773250969198..comments2024-01-02T00:54:47.924-05:00Comments on Another Black Conservative: Palin Panic: The establishment starts trippin' over PalinClifton Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-62151365317727009362011-03-16T13:28:28.228-04:002011-03-16T13:28:28.228-04:00Excellent analysis. I believe you nailed it, sir.Excellent analysis. I believe you nailed it, sir.Jim McKeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04302154484950586503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-47870389425149527802011-03-16T11:11:52.000-04:002011-03-16T11:11:52.000-04:00ref comments/responses (abc/all): thanks
all well...ref comments/responses (abc/all): thanks<br /><br />all well-said, all helps in coalescing my own views/opinions wrt evaluating possibilities...<br /><br />sp not my "perfect choice", but so far, only emerged choice for all the reasons noted in comments (e.g., hc too new to me, cc et all not yet "targeted" by the progressive piranhas or vetted by serious/"trusted" conservatives)bdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-12242823759139539132011-03-16T04:19:51.824-04:002011-03-16T04:19:51.824-04:00Janelle:
Should Palin not run in 2012, she would ...Janelle:<br /><br />Should Palin not run in 2012, she would be the perfect bomb thrower to distract the left from our candidate. Then they would have to split their hate between Palin and the nominee.<br /><br />The only thing that must happen is that the nominee must be someone who is willing to die politically in order to accomplish the big things. So far Palin seems like the only one.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-36151873897474676082011-03-16T04:16:52.142-04:002011-03-16T04:16:52.142-04:00Rosewood59:
I'll support Palin if she runs. ...Rosewood59:<br /><br /><i> I'll support Palin if she runs. She has been thoroughly veted by the Media, Rinos, Political Pundits, etc. Nothing to hide.</i><br /><br />Bingo! There would be nothing worse that picking a candidate and then with only weeks to go before the election the left spews out some devastating new dirt against our candidate.<br /><br />With Palin all they have left are nitpicks.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-38808795653680802332011-03-16T04:14:10.881-04:002011-03-16T04:14:10.881-04:00Bill589:
We follow the same logic.Bill589:<br /><br />We follow the same logic.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-40860044622034117502011-03-16T04:03:02.355-04:002011-03-16T04:03:02.355-04:00Justin:
A very well connected political friend of...Justin:<br /><br />A very well connected political friend of mine told me that the GOP establishment is very ready to accept Obama's second term, if it means they can retain their well connected positions. The establishment's goals are NOT our goals and therefore we should ignore their comments. <br /><br />Should Palin win the nomination, I assure you, Obama would finally get a real opponent throwing real punches at him for the first time. It will make for one hell of an election.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-20439095291216875582011-03-16T03:56:01.349-04:002011-03-16T03:56:01.349-04:00Bd:
The hash out JACG and I are having, is the h...Bd: <br /><br />The hash out JACG and I are having, is the hash out all Republicans should be having NOW. There are some serious differences and serious views that need to be settled before the race officially begins. Clearing the air now only helps. After all our goal is the same, make Obama a OTP. <br /><br />Now to be truthful, yes, I am supporting Palin as my number 1 choice. This is because I see messaging and toughness as crucial factors in beating Obama in 2012 and Palin has proven she can do both.<br /><br />Furthermore, I realize that undoing the damage Obama/Pelosi/Reid wrought will require someone who isn't worried about 2016 and again Palin has proven her willingness to die politically to do the right thing.<br /><br />Palin supporters may very well hold out for a "true believer", but in the end they realize the reality, Obama must be gone. The true conviction will only help to ensure that we elect a strong candidate.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-66700686082981450792011-03-16T03:39:36.471-04:002011-03-16T03:39:36.471-04:00JACG:
I don't believe for a second that you w...JACG:<br /><br />I don't believe for a second that you would say Palin should not run in the nomination. Your position has always been that she cannot win the general and therefore we should look elsewhere. I understand your position and disagree.<br /><br />I agree that Obama must be gone by 2012, but I don't believe that Palin isn't capable of dispatching. <br /><br />Yes, Palin's polls today look awful. However, when I think back to March 2007 if you had asked me to choose between Obama and McCain I would have said I was going to stay home on election day and let the chips fall where they may. When push came to shove and those were my real choices in 2008 I held my nose and voted for McCain. A lot of these people who hate Palin today, will pull the lever for her tomorrow if she is their only choice. That is what happens when reality stares you in the face.<br /><br />I agree Palin supporters can be a tad over zealous, but can you blame them given all the shit she has been through? Crap coming at her from the right is just seems like a little too much for them to let pass.<br /><br />Should Palin not run or lose the nomination, the vast majority of her supporters will back the nominee over Obama. Just like I said before, because reality is quite sobering.<br /><br />Although Palin said she would not run if someone satisfied her needs in a president she would not seek the nomination, I would not take her early admiration for Cain as a sign she isn't running. At this stage of the game for all we know her admiration could mean she found her VP. (Palin/ Cain 2012, I am totally loving it).<br /><br />I too will work for the nominee whomever it might be not matter what I think the outcome might be, because in the end I know they will be an improvement over Obama. That being said, I firmly believe that in order to beat Obama, our candidate must be able to deliver a crystal clear message and be ready to fight the campaign of their life. Right now, only Palin fits that criterion. Any candidate who cannot do those two things is going to loose to Obama.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-37391780740473094762011-03-15T19:43:48.427-04:002011-03-15T19:43:48.427-04:00I would prefer that Sarah Palin continue to do exa...I would prefer that Sarah Palin continue to do exactly what she is doing....being a total burr under the progressive saddle. She does a magnificent job of bringing out their worst traits for all to see.Janellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756137413824366993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-58302757678797413192011-03-15T15:44:13.328-04:002011-03-15T15:44:13.328-04:00I'll support Palin if she runs. She has been ...I'll support Palin if she runs. She has been thoroughly veted by the Media, Rinos, Political Pundits, etc. Nothing to hide.<br /><br />Now re: Labash at the Weekly Standard and his "naughty-librarian glasses" - what a dismal freak show comment. WinTheFuture (WTF) is a pair of non-naughty-librarian glasses? Such a jack-ass comment from a Weekly Standard contributor!rosewood59https://www.blogger.com/profile/18227793814813614405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-56214440386528603682011-03-15T15:43:22.382-04:002011-03-15T15:43:22.382-04:00Her “unfavorables” are high because of all the lie...Her “unfavorables” are high because of all the lies repeated about her. Don’t let the GOP elitists, or the Dems and their media, sway our opinion of any candidate. Either way. <br /><br />For me, if they are continually attacking Palin, for over two years, and she is still standing and fighting, that is evidence she should be our next president.<br /><br />When she starts campaigning, more people will learn the truth about her. She especially shines in debates. The more truth people know about Palin, the lower her “unfavorables” will go.Bill589https://www.blogger.com/profile/14043363656382229438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-90606147846977436902011-03-15T11:50:36.628-04:002011-03-15T11:50:36.628-04:00Honestly, Palin's nowhere near my top choice (...Honestly, Palin's nowhere near my top choice (Cain in 2012, baby!) But you're right that the elites are going after her for no reason other than that they see her as a threat to THEIR OWN power base(s). It's impossible to believe that Romney and/or Gingrich wouldn't enter a race against Obama with AT LEAST AS MANY negatives as Palin would. If she did win the nomination, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. At least conservatives might get a little taste of how it feels not having to "hold your nose and vote."Justinhttp://www.rssronaldreagan.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-25710922401564640472011-03-15T11:34:33.804-04:002011-03-15T11:34:33.804-04:00abc - pow! kaboom! crunch!
abc v jacg: no problem...abc - pow! kaboom! crunch!<br /><br />abc v jacg: no problem w/ handicapping among compatriots; but hopefully will keep it as an intramural quibble and not get caught inviting the trolls such as one of the main points of this post(?)<br /><br />for all of abc giving sp generously fair coverage; have not yet seen an "endorsement uber alles"; point: can defend/elevate w/o subscribing to "single-issue idolatry", litmus tests, "perfect political alignment", cult of "pro/anti" celebrity...<br /><br />"palinistas" don't need to confess fealty, "we" need to speak of understanding, defending, and promoting core beliefs and then develop/convey supporting political strategies; <br /><br />could not, in good conscience, insist that one "should" support an electable tepid conservative over a polarizing principled conservative <br /><br />(e.g. jm was an establishment disaster as a candidate and may have been an even greater disaster as president: america would have continued devolving into a country of entitled slaves and elitist masters w/o the benefit of clarifying ideological and political battle lines such as is happening now)bdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-36771396589679019792011-03-15T05:09:06.110-04:002011-03-15T05:09:06.110-04:00Cliff:
I would never say that anyone shouldn't...Cliff:<br />I would never say that anyone shouldn't run. I am not a believer in that. The bigger the field, the more voices are heard. That can only be a postive.<br /><br />What I am saying is that with unfavorables that high (they have never really been below 50) people who are very interested in seeing Obama be a one term president have not just the right, but the responsibility to speak out about it. <br /><br />My biggest frustration is that anyone that dares says things that they believe to be true they get called a bad conservative or fearful. I am not jealous, but I am fearful that her nomination gives Obama a second term. I am far from the only one who feels that way. <br /><br />You at least will get on board with the nominee, but many Palinistas have flat out said they won't vote for anyone else but her and some are threatening a third party. <br /><br />I also have come to conclusion that she won't run. She did a facebook or tweet about Cain recently. If she gets the nomination, I will get on board and I will go out and knock on doors and phone bank. I truly believe it will be a waste of my time, but I will do it. Palinistas need to say the same.Just a conservative girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11982406297072353275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-26021005585306998462011-03-15T04:17:01.734-04:002011-03-15T04:17:01.734-04:00JACG:
Those numbers are indicative of today. Com...JACG:<br /><br />Those numbers are indicative of today. Come January 2012 who knows. Just a month ago Egyptian freedom was the hot topic of the day, today it is Japanese nuclear plants, who knew? As time passes, new issues in politics emerge who knows how those issues favor or hurt Palin or Obama in 2012.<br /><br />Let Palin run in the primary. If she is that awful of a candidate it will become very apparent. However, if she turns out to be the best, then let her have her crack at Obama. <br /><br />A strong performance during the primary maybe just the thing to turn her numbers around. There is no need to write her off before hand.Clifton Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273941007555823028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872610766194613385.post-9100285308490660792011-03-15T02:49:24.430-04:002011-03-15T02:49:24.430-04:00The most recent bloomberg poll has her unfavorable...The most recent bloomberg poll has her unfavorables in the sixties. <br /><br />It appears more than just the republican establishment has their doubts. <br /><br />The Palin fans have to realize those numbers give people cause to doubt her ability to win the general.Just a conservative girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11982406297072353275noreply@blogger.com