Showing posts with label Birthers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Birthers. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 27, 2011

BOOM, there it is! Obama releases long form birth certificate





Well, here is the much talked about and anxiously awaited long form birth certificate. Will this end the birther theory? Heck no. Why? Because conspiracy theories never die. The time to have killed the birther theory was two years ago when the issue started to percolate. One of the main reasons why the birther theory will live on, is because there really is no good answer to the very simple question "what took so long"? Based on that alone, birthers will look for all kinds of new evidence. Already, there is a "layer theory" forming.

I think Obama kept the birther issue going on for so long, is because it was politically advantageous to him. He, with the help of the media, was able to discredit anyone who asked questions about the birth certificate. Had the media simply been curious as to why Obama wouldn't do a simple thing like releasing the document, the nation might have been spared the whole birther thing and the rise of Donald Trump.

Speaking of Trump, I do fear that the release will put more wind in his sails. Already Trump has now started asking for college records. Some folks on the right, be they birthers or not, might get a little awestruck, because Trump stood his ground against the naysayers. As a result Trump effectively got Obama to do someone no one else could get him to do. To those folks I say; admire Trump's tenacity, but understand fully that Trump is not a conservative. Supporting Trump is at best supporting a eclectic bag of principles or at worst is supporting a complete poser. Buyer beware.

Via: Memeorandum
Via: The White House Blog
Via: The Daily Dish
Via: National Review
Via: Instapundit
Via: Real Clear Politics

Sunday, April 10, 2011

Sarah Palin discusses Trump's birtherism

Palin: "Well, I appreciate the The Donald wants to spend his resources in getting to the bottom of something that so interest him and so many Americans. You know, more power to him. He is not just throwing stones from the sidelines, he is digging in there, paying for researchers to find out why President Obama would have spent $2 million to not show his birth certificate".
Palin is a smart cookie. She knows better than to allow herself to be painted as a birther, yet she is utilizing the opening Trump made cast suspicion on Obama's actions. Most of today's Republican candidates simply distance themselves from Trump and would never ever, think about capitalizing on the opening Trump has created.

Should Trump ever make it to the debates, Republicans would be well advised not to cross him. Time and again Trump has shown that he likes to get into nasty public disputes. His battle with Rosy O'Donnell and his recent spat with New York Times columnist Gail Collins are just some examples.

You can see all of Palin's interview with Judge Jeanine over at The Right Scoop.

Via: Memeorandum

Via: Fox News

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Trump releases his official birth certificate


Yesterday I told you that Trump may have deliberately released an unofficial copy of his birth certificate so that he could quickly turn around and release the original. The idea behind this is twofold. First, to weaken the argument that there is no difference between a certificate of live birth and a long form birth certificate. It will be harder to make that argument after everyone made a stink of what Trump released yesterday. Second, the stunt was designed to show how quick and easy it is to silence suspicions and criticism by just producing the document.
ABC News: Trump, who has been putting pressure on Obama lately to make public his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, decided to set a good example and release his own on Monday. Only problem was, the document that Trump provided to the conservative Website Newsmax wasn't his actual birth certificate, but rather a "hospital certificate of birth."
On Tuesday, Trump, who is contemplating a presidential run in 2012, sought to correct the oversight, providing a copy of his official birth certificate issued by the New York City Department of Health to ABC News. [...]
The image came with an accompanying memo from a member of Trump's staff.

"A 'birth certificate' and a 'certificate of live birth' are in no way the same thing, even though in some cases they use some of the same words," wrote Trump staffer Thuy Colayco in a message to ABC News. "One officially confirms and records a newborn child’s identity and details of his or her birth, while the other only confirms that someone reported the birth of a child. Also, a 'certificate of live birth' is very easy to get because the standards are much lower, while a 'birth certificate' is only gotten through a long and detailed process wherein identity must be proved beyond any doubt. If you had only a certificate of live birth, you would not be able to get a proper passport from the Post Office or a driver’s license from the Department of Motor Vehicles. Therefore, there is very significant difference between a 'certificate of live birth' and a 'birth certificate' and one should never be confused with the other."
Trump's little stunt is going to give him more ammo in his birth certificate battle. A battle I am sure is designed more to promote his own brand, rather than his presidential aspirations.

Note: As someone who was born in New York City, I would like to point out that the copy of the birth certificate Trump released today is the original from way back in the day. Many agencies no longer accept the old style birth certificates because they were so easy to alter. The examples I showed yesterday, are the ones currently issued by New York City's Department of Health. You can get the new versions in about an hour for $15.

Via: Memeorandum
Via: ABC News

Monday, March 28, 2011

Is Donald Trump setting up the left on the birth certificate issue?

Donald Trump released an unofficial copy of his birth certificate to Newsmax today.
NewsMax: Donald Trump, who has been making television appearances calling for President Barack Obama to release his official birth documents, released his birth certificate exclusively to Newsmax on Monday.



As Ben Smith from Politico notes, this is not an official New York City birth certificate.

The paper that Trump released says "Jamaica Hospital" on top and lists the date and time of what he says was his birth to "Mr. and Mrs. Fred C. Trump." The piece of paper has a seal at the bottom.  
But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO's Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency's seal and also a signature of the city registrar - neither of which the Trump document has. Officials said the city Health Department is the "sole issuing authority" of official birth certificates in New York, and that the document would clearly say so, and "city officials said it's not an official document."
It appears instead to be a hospital "certificate of birth," meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.
This is what official New York City birth certificates look like.
Short form

Long Form

The left will no doubt rush to ridicule Trump for not releasing his official birth certificate.  Here is the rub, in ridiculing Trump, the left is actually making Trump's argument for him. If Trump quickly turns around and releases the long form of his birth certificate, what then will be the argument for Obama to continue hold up his? It will be very funny to watch those who will ridicule Trump now try to go back to saying that they type of birth certificate Obama released doesn't matter.
In the end, Trump will not run and will not be successful in getting Obama to release the long form of his birth certificate.  However, Trump might very well succeed in diminishing the sting of the "birther" label.
Via: Memeorandum
Via: Newsmax
Via: Ben Smith

Thursday, March 24, 2011

Donald Trump still wants to see Obama's birth certificate


This is like the second time Donald Trump has asked for Obama's birth certificate and this is the second time the left has cried "birther" to no avail.  


I don't believe Trump is serious about running in 2012.  Instead I think he is just selling his brand and using the GOP primaries to do so.  The birth certificate issues simply helps Trump make a big splash. Since he is not really running he has nothing to fear about bring up Obama's birth certificate.  So what if he gets labeled a birther, if he isn't running there simply is no damage.


I do think Trump has picked a good angle to raise the issue.  Instead of saying he wants to see the birth certificate to prove Obama is American, Trump tries the tract of what is Obama hiding.


As Legal Insurrection notes, the applause proves Trump maybe on to something.  After all, if you are a real American citizen, then why spend so much money and time not showing your birth certificate.  Produce it and shut everyone up.  Unless of course as Trump suggests there is something awkward on it that would not be so. easy to explain ( I always believed this to be the reason behind not producing it).


At any rate, expect Trump to beat this drum all they way up to the time he "drops out".


Via: Legal Insurrection

Tuesday, March 1, 2011

Huckabee: "Obama grew up in Kenya"

Mike Huckabee has stirred up a hornet's nest today with these comments he said on the Steve Malzberg show.
Politico: “One thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American,” Huckabee said in response.
“If you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather,” Huckabee added.

Huckabee's spokesman has issued a correction.
Says his spokesman Hogan Gidley to POLITICO:
“Governor Huckabee simply misspoke when he alluded to President Obama growing up in ‘Kenya.’ The Governor meant to say the President grew up in Indonesia.”
“When the Governor mentioned he wanted to know more about the President, he wasn’t talking about the President’s place of birth – the Governor believes the President was born in Hawaii. The Governor would however like to know more about where President Obama’s liberal policies come from and what else the President plans to do to this country – as do most Americans.”
The way the left is carrying on over the whole thing, you would swear Huckabee dissed Obama's mother and Michelle too! They are shrieking "birther" all over the place!

I think they are outraged because they know that Huckabee has a way of being too cute by half.  Remember that campaign ad during the primaries?

 

You never could really tell one way or another whether that cross was a fluke or if it was purposely placed there.  This slip of the tongue by Huckabee has the same feel. 

Huckabee has come out saying there is no truth to the birther theory, but with an mere slip of the tongue (Kenya instead of Indonesia) he could be giving a nod to birthers while maintaining credible deniability. 

Do I think Huckabee is sincere when he says it was nothing more than a slip of the tongue?  To tell the truth, I am not sure either way.  That is because I have always found Huckabee to be a Republican version of Bill Clinton.

Video h/t: Mediaite

Saturday, May 8, 2010

Surprise! Surprise! Obama supporters are birthers too!

ABC News and The Washington Post conducted a new poll on birthers (with everything going on in the country right now, this is what ABC and WaPo are looking into?) and surprisingly find that almost a third of birthers support Obama! 
[…] Fourteen percent of Americans say without prompting that they think Barack Obama was born in another country, rising to one in five when those with no opinion are offered that as a possibility. But for many it's not a firm belief – and some appear not to hold it against him.
Among those inclined to think Obama was born abroad, half also say that's their suspicion only, not a judgment based on solid evidence, the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll finds. And perhaps surprisingly, about a third of so-called "birthers" nonetheless approve of Obama's work in office and express a favorable opinion of him personally.[…] 
Why does the birther question persist? Robert Gibbs was asked that question recently.


I think the main reason why birthers, 9/11 truthers and all the other conspiracy theories exist has a lot to do with the media’s lack of credibility. Too many people have caught the media out there being biased. This isn’t something that only the right notices either. When the media speaks on issues like Obama’s place of birth or if 9/11 was an inside job, some people remain highly skeptical because they think the media is again choosing sides.

So if mainstream media reporters want to know why the birthers won’t go away, they need only look in the mirror.

Via: ABC News 

Thursday, May 6, 2010

Michelle Obama: Barack Obama is a Kenyan and America is too mean

Michelle my belle, this isn’t one of your finest moments. Aside from feeding the birther theory again, she is really talking down America. I thought she was now proud of the country?


Sunday, April 4, 2010

A visit to the home country

Pay close attention to the 0:40 to 0:50 mark.


I am not a birther, but that is a rather interesting phrase.

Friday, December 4, 2009

Sarah Palin: Obama’s birth certificate is fair game



Yesterday Sarah Palin did a radio interview with Rusty Humphries and was asked a question about Obama’s birth certificate.

Here is the transcript [H/T Hot Air]:
Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?
I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue ’cause I think there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.
Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?
I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting record — all of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you, too: I think our campaign, the McCain/Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were and perhaps what their future plans were. And I don’t think that that was fair to voters to not have done our jobs as candidates and as a campaign to bring to light a lot of the things that now we’re seeing made manifest in the administration.
I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?
Hey, you know, that’s a great point, in that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son. And a lot of people say, “Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that he’s your kid!” Which we have done. But yeah, so maybe we could reverse that and use the same [unintelligible]-type thinking on them.
Needless to say, within no time at all the left side of the blogosphere began tagging Palin as a “Birther”. Did you think they would do anything else?  Palin immediately issued a Facebook note setting things straight.
Stupid Conspiracies
Yesterday at 10:16pm
Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.
Of course if anyone takes the time to read, Palin herself never says she believes Obama isn’t American. What she does say is that people have a right to ask their questions and she is right. 

For some people the birth certificate question was never answered fully and they want to know. Just like for some people the issue of Trig’s birth wasn’t answered fully and they want to know (paging Andrew Sullivan).  If Sarah Palin can put up with the Trig Truthers, then let Obama deal with the Birthers.

The reason why both the Trig Truthers and the Birthers exist in the first place is because the media does such a crummy job reporting the news. In the case of the Trig Truthers, the media immediately picked up the story without checking facts and put it out to a wider audience and it took root. In the case of the Birthers, it was the media’s long silence on the issue that allowed the question to gain so much traction on the net.  In both cases, the media’s well-known biases and people’s distrust of those biases that also contributed to these conspiracy theories.

So until our media gets its act together, there are going to be people like the Trig Truthers and the Birthers asking questions and politicians will just have to answer the questions to the best of their abilities and move on.

Via: Hot Air
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