Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Video: Obama and Democrats on "The Nuclear Option" circa 2005


Biden: "I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing."

Something tells me that Biden did not get down on his knees for that one. Are these the biggest hypocrites you ever saw?

5 comments:

bbunk said...

According to Wikipedia:

Reconciliation is a legislative process in the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a contentious budget bill without the threat of filibuster.

In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by a majority of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by invoking a point of order to essentially declare the filibuster unconstitutional which can be decided by a simple majority, rather than seeking formal cloture with a supermajority of 60 senators.

These are not the same. Your video where the nuclear option is being discussed should be retitled to be accurate so as to avoid misleading people (unless you are trying to do just that, and are dishonest).

Regards.

Clifton B said...

Bbunk:

Title changed. I caught my mistake, but not before you left your comment. I am not trying to be dishonest.

Even with the mistake, the argument is still valid. Democrats were bemoaning skirting senate rules by using a simple majority, yet they are doing the exact same thing by using Reconciliation for health care which is not a budget bill.

The Constitutional Crusader said...

I agree, ABC. The Dems are clearly exhibiting their usual hypocrisy by doing this, even after Biden made that remark. Something tells me Pelosi and Reid thought much the same when they were out of power.

bbunk said...

Clifton,

I appreciate the timely change and take you at your word as being honest.

Unfortunately, I can't agree with your assertion about the argument still being valid, and that the R's and D's are doing anything similar at all. BTW, if Health Care is not a budget bill then I agree they can't use Reconciliation on it; they will have to use some form of budget bill that relates to Health Care (have to follow thee rules!).

Here is how I see it (allow me to digress and elaborate a bit).


Reconciliation is an optional part of the legislative process; it already has a set of rules that can be followed to achieve the defined outcome. Reconciliation has been used many times to pass legislation, according to these rules.

The nuclear option is not defined in any Senate rules. As far as the Senate is concerned, it doesn't exist. It has never actually been done. It is really a tactic that attempts to circumvent existing rules via a narrowly described set of actions.


To me, following the defined rules is the exact opposite of following a tactic designed to circumvent the rules. The only commonality is circumstantial; both activities rely on a simple majority vote to succeed. This is not what I consider a defining factor.

These beliefs combined with the revised post leaves me with but one conclusion. There is no hypocrisy shown by the D's in considering Reconciliation, even after decrying the nuclear option. Because they are different.

I would actually have to say the the post makes no sense anymore, because the two activities can't be compared. Sorry.

Regards.

bbunk said...

Constitutional Crusader,

Interesting handle, I wonder if you intend to honor the constitution or not?

Are you able to change you position when new facts are learned, constitutional facts in this case?

As I described above, there really is no hypocrisy between comments on the nuclear option and later comments on reconciliation; the topics are totally separate.

What say you now?

Regards.

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